are we here because there exist a god and he has a plan, or does everything exist from an accident?
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Why do I picture JamesThomas making a living doing something cool like building canoes or being a river guide and eating shrooms?
Or flying an old but immaculately kept plane around the countryside giving rides for three bucks each and laying out in a field staring at the sky making clouds disappear...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/20/63523/1.ashx.
i guess i should have listened to all your posts a while back when i asked if a relationship could work between a jw and a non jw, many of you shouted run like helll !!
, run dont walk !!!.
You haven't really said what problem your family has with your fiancee...is it that she is a JW, or is there something elsen going on here? She can't be too much of a hard-line JW if she's marrying outside the 'flock'...
If it is because she is a witness, is it possible that your family is reacting to your marriage out of fear that you will embrace her religion and they fear they'll lose you to the org? Is it possible they are reacting to the speed at which you've decided to marry?
As I do now know all the particulars, it's difficult to judge your family one way or the other. I'll just say this: One thing I've learned in my 32 years is that if your family dislikes something you're doing or someone you're involved with, AND (this is important) your family is generally good for you, loving, and non-destructive in nature, they is usually a good reason--and they are usually right.
I wish you luck in whatever road your life takes.
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ok here goes.... how old were you your first time?
I was a virgin until 18, but it wasn't for lack of trying! I dated my high school boyfriend for four years, three of which I spent attempting to convince him we wouldn't both be immediately sentenced to hell for having sex. He kept to the high road, however, and we never did consummate our relationship. Funny, though, how he didn't mind receiving a healthy regular dose of oral sex....just wouldn't ever commit to doing the whole deed part-and-parcel. *sigh* We broke up our freshman year of college and my next boyfriend was more than willing to deflower me. Over and over and over....
My husband (who is 9 years my senior) lost his virginity at 15. I take great delight in telling him that when he was having sex in the back of his Pinto, I was a six year old with red curly pigtails. Makes him grimace every time.
if you truly make up your.
it is a habit that is.
6. begin to work daily on a self-improvement program.
I think anyone who puts that much thought into how to stop masturbating needs to start immediately.
Puh-leeze. Is there anything, and I mean ANYTHING as stupid as making such a gigantic deal out of something so insignificant as this? It hurts no one, it's not evil, it's not adverse to nature. Show of hands: Who here never masturbates? Another show of hands: Who here is a damn liar? The same group of people will have their hands in the air.
And anyone who posts saying "I've never done that!" protesteth just a little too much.
heightened security measures in the u.s. now demand the implementation very soon of a new program called "capps ii".
airline passengers will now be required to not only present photo identification at the airport ticket counter, they will now be required to also provide their date of birth.. airlines are being ordered by the so-called "homeland security" agency to determine if each passenger is a flight risk, rating them "green" (ok to fly), "yellow" (need to be interrogated before allowing access to the aircraft), or "red" (forbidden to fly under any circumstances).. while many see this as a necessary security measure in the shadow of the 9/11 disaster, others are screaming "foul" because they believe it is an invasion of their privacy.. once this plan is initiated, i will no longer patronize airlines, not because of the invasion of privacy factor, but because of the threat of datamining.
what is "datamining"?
I guess I just can't get overexcited about giving out information that is accessible to just about anyone with half a mind to find it. While I mourn the deterioration of fundamental freedoms, I also attempt to keep some perspective on the situation.
We would do well to remember that our constitution is an active document that can and MUST change with the times. As our world evolves, so it must too. The particulars can be strengthened and alterered and have been in the past. I imagine the outcry against constitutional alteration was just as strong prior to the abolition of slavery.
This level of paranoia reminds me of all the people who were publicly up in arms about the security of any and all of our freedom and personal information prior to January 1, 2000. I can still hear people speaking on TV shows about how they cleaned out their bank accounts and tearfully talking about how they sold their vacation homes because society was going to collapse in a matter of months. People stockpiled food and supplies over NOTHING. Hell, we're STILL trying to eat through some of the things my brother's father in law had in his 'Y2K bunker' (what was the man going to do with the hundreds of gigantic cans of various foods and the 20 pounds bags of rice and flour? Give them to all the relatives and try not to look too stupid, that's what).
I wish you luck and happiness with your air-travel boycott.
"changes that disturb people".
just ten years ago we catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this.
just ten years ago we jehovah?s witnesses had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this.
Excellent post, Tom!
As someone who enjoys irony it all it's forms, I am constantly astounded at the ability of JWs to read such drivel in their literature without the slightest awareness that they are looking in a mirror. I am even more surprised that there is a group of men in Brooklyn that can write this stuff with a straight face--I suppose they are certain that the intended audience is so incapable of critical thought that very few (if any) readers will get that little tickle in the back of their brain that says "Hey...wait a minute, that sounds familiar for some reason..."
I sometimes think that the ONLY way to expose WT 'logic' for what it is is to use comparisons like the above. I think I'll print this out for future reference. Thanks!
this is my first post and i just wanted to say hi.
i have been a long time lurker (confession time) and decided to finally take the big step.. not much to say for now, but i would like to say thanks for all of your sharing.
i've learned so much.. please read my profile for more information.. .
Welcome to the forum, Agnes!
As another never-was with family involved in the org, the perspectives expresssed and the information available on this site have a been a great source of information and comfort to me.
Look forward to hearing more from you.
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many skeptics assert that the bible must be wrong, because they claim that the ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/cen_v19n2_animals_ark.asp
Question: How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?
Simple. The number of theoretical animals you can fit on an imaginary ancient boat is infinite. (Just ask all those angels sitting around on the head of that theoretical pin...)
in a minimus moment, i find myself interested in knowing which buzz-words and phrases in jw publications stand out the most to you?
when i read wt literature, i constantly find myself astounded by how transparently cultish the language is.
in an earlier, unrelated thread, i said the following: .
In a minimus moment, I find myself interested in knowing which buzz-words and phrases in JW publications stand out the most to you? When I read WT literature, I constantly find myself astounded by how transparently cultish the language is. In an earlier, unrelated thread, I said the following:
On a slightly unrelated note, my favorite 'cult speak' work used by JW publications is "inculcate". Derived from a Latin word that literally means "to trample" or "to tread upon", it means to teach by frequent repetition or admonition. I get a real kick out of how they are always referring to how members of 'Jehovah's Organization' have their 'life-saving information' drilled and shamed into them.
Anyone else have any?
somebody recently expressed that point of view to me.
do you agree with that??
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I don't know that I'd use the word "weak", but I might use the word "vulnerable".
Like every other high-control organization, I think JWs tend to recruit people who are vulnerable to their sales-pitch for a variety of reasons, and therefore more succeptible to falling for the whole "We have the key to everlasting life and happiness" schtick.
I think the presence of so many ex-jw's on a site like this one is compelling evidence against the inherent "weakness" of JWs. The strength it takes to leave and rebuild a life outside of the org is astounding.
